do you think he has a shot to win the election? >> oh, i think he will win the election. i think he has energy as a big component. there are 30 states in the united states now that produce energy. when i went in the energy business a long, long time ago, there was only nine states. there are 30 states now. so millions of jobs are created by the oil and gas industry in the united states. >> right, right. let me get your take on natural gas. i'd love to know where you're seeing opportunity, how you're invested in the energy space. you've been a backer of natural gas. honda has the civic natural gas car. can the industry really transform to natural gas powered vehicles? >> well, there's no question the technology is well known. there are 13 million vehicles in the world today on natural gas. only 130,000 of them in the united states. we have more natural gas than any other country in the world. how could that be? it's because the leadership in washington has not, one, understood the resources available to us in america, but, two, they've shown no leadership to get on our own